Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Junior National Young Leaders Conference

Does anyone know anything about the Junior National Young Leaders Conference? By that I mean, does anyone know a kid who went? Looking for recommendations.


126 comments:

Prima Ballerina said...

I just got an invitation yesterday! I'm in 6th Grade.

John McBride said...

Excellent. If you go I hope you have a great experience. I was looking for information from people who have already attended a JrNYLC. Do you know anyone who has been?

CL said...

Hi John, just came across your post searching for information myself, my 6th grader has received an "invitation". Did you ever find out anything? I think that the $1700+ price ticket is a little steep for "such an honor". Wondering what you know...!

John McBride said...

I heard from a woman at our school who sent her daughter last year. She raved about the program while noting, as I believe you have, that it's not all that exclusive and is rather dear. In any event she said she and her daughter "have NO regrets." I also read this post. One of my son's friends was also invited, so in the end I think we'll let him go with his friend. Let me know what you decide.

Anonymous said...

I have also been nominated to go I am very scared because I do not want to fly because I need my familt to come with me but I really wanna go and it is so expensive but my parents want me to go I'm just not sure I am also in 6th grade

John McBride said...

I think you'll have the time of your life. But if you're not sure, there's always next year. The program will still be there.

Liz Mc said...

My son also received an invitation. He really wants to go. I'm a little skeptical. Have you heard anything? I would appreciate any feedback. I can't seem to find anyone that went.
Thanks
Liz

Anonymous said...

My daughter received an invite. The invite listed a past attendee from her school, so I contacted the mother. She said it was a fantastic experience.

John McBride said...

Liz Mc: We're sending our son. One of his friends from school is going, so he won't be completely lost. I still have some doubts about the long-term value of this program, but I think it's a short-term winner. I'll let you know...

danlbennett said...

Like you John, my upcoming 7th grade son was invited to the Junior National Young Leaders Conference this fall and I'm trying to gather information. I called the organization and they try to sell it. I'm trying to reach the teacher who nominated him to get her reasons for doing so. I'm also going to call some past alumni parents.

It is expensive and only a few kids qualify for scholarships. Otherwise it's find sponsorship and/or foot the bill yourself.

My question is what kind of collegiate and corporate sponsors do they have who give preferential treatment to those who have attended these conferences? Anyone know?

John McBride said...

That's a good question danl. I probably should have done more research before agreeing to send my son off. Does anyone know the answer to danl's question?

Caroline said...

I see that thisg string of comments occurred in March of 06, My son is being nominated this year & I was looking for references

John McBride said...

Caroline,
We sent our son last year. He had a blast. In fact, on New Years Eve he said his time in Washington was the highlight of the year and among the greatest times he's had in his life. I think the program is clearly well done, well supervised and is a positive learning experience. Is the high cost justified? The answer to that really depends on other factors that vary between families. But other than the cost, I really don't see any downside to the program.

tflynn said...

My daughter received her invitation yesterday. My wife spoke with her teacher this morning and learned that he also nominated five other students (of 75 total students) whom he believes are also qualified. My concerns are about hidden costs, and the students flying into Washington DC on their own. Are there any hidden costs that you know of?

John McBride said...

tflynn -- We gave our son a small amount of folding money for spending as he saw fit (I think it was $20 but it may have been twice that). There were no other costs. All meals are included in the fee, and there is plenty of food. On the flying, we drove up so I can't speak directly about that. They say they provide pickup and drop-off service, and someone will meet your child at the gate if I recall correctly. There were kids in our son's group who must have flown, so they must make it work somehow. I'm with you about being concerned about it, though.

Anonymous said...

A real close-up look - phony Washington D.C. 'honorary' tours for youth - No Sacred Cows
Every year thousands of high school students from across the country get classy-looking invites to travel to their nation's capital and see how their government works. The honor comes with a price tag: $730 for a six-day tour and $1,260 for the deluxe 11-day program - plus air fare, lunches and incidentals.
What the honored students don't see - and something that their parents, who usually pay their way, might find more interesting than the standard "how a bill becomes a law" lecture - is how some tour groups work.
Take the Congressional Youth Leadership Council (CYLC), for example. Its certified-mail "nominating" papers have informed recipients they were exceptional students who had been chosen, along with 350 others from across the country, to represent their states as "Congressional Scholars" at a "very special week" in Washington. The letters didn't tell them they would be among 9,000 students attending one of 24 "special" tour weeks a year conducted by (CYLC), that it had rented their names and addresses from a national survey firm or, according to press reports, that at least two D-average students and one expelled gang member are among those so "honored." Each year the council sends out more than 100,000 letters to students.
A lot of the money coming in to CYLC is passed on to the for-profit National Capital Resources (NCR), a management and marketing firm. NCR is run by Richard Rossi and Barbara Harris, the founders of CYLC and, until recently, its officers and 40 percent of its board of directors. Harris still serves on the board. NCR's sole function until recently was to manage and market CYLC's programs. It now has "one other major client," according to CYLC Executive Director John Hines: the nonprofit National Youth Leadership Forum, a similar program also founded by Harris and Rossi.
A bill recently introduced by Sen. Howard Metzenbaum (D-Ohio) and cosponsored by Minority Leader Robert Dole (R-Kan.) would require groups like CYLC, the Close Up Foundation, Presidential Classroom For Young Americans and Washington Workshop to explain how participating students were chosen and how their money is spent.
What's behind the bill, which would impose a sort of truth-in-advertising requirement on the democracy-in-action business, is a combination of what Sen. Dole called "questionable recruiting practices" by CYLC and no small amount of senatorial embarrassment. The resulting legislation is a consumer protection measure that would also give members of Congress more information about organizations that use their names.
For years CYLC has persuaded members of Congress to "preside" on its "honorary congressional board of advisors." Dole and Metzenbaum, along with more than half of their colleagues, signed on; the council's recent mailings refer to "the over 270 members" of its honorary congressional board by name.
But after Dole learned of CYLC's recruiting practices he disassociated himself from the organization and wrote a "Dear colleague" letter urging other members of Congress to do the same. Decrying the group's "audacity to blatantly deceive a member of Congress," Dole said "its misleading practices persist[ed]" even after it had assured him otherwise. ,
Faced with Dole's objections and pending legislation, CYLC has begun to mend its ways. As director John Hines puts it, "There was a chance some people would have gotten the wrong idea" about the council's program. Dole now says minor changes to CYLC's materials have "resolved [his] concerns," but Metzenbaum remains troubled by CYLC's business practices.
According to its 1991 tax return, CYLC grossed more than $6.3 million that year, with 98 percent of that coming from student "tuition." In an interview, Hines says that "about 60 percent of students' tuition is consumed directly while they're" in Washington, while the remaining 40 percent finances CYLC's "program preparation, overhead" and the like.
Metzenbaum's bill, the Educational Organizations Disclosure Act of 1993, would require CYLC and similar organizations to disclose how students are selected and provide them (and Congress) with a breakdown of how their fees are spent. it also would prohibit discrimination on the basis of physical disability or inability to pay.
"We don't have any problem with the bill," Hines says, "but Sen. Metzenbaum's staff seems to believe we're doing something wrong over here. And we don't understand that."
COPYRIGHT 1993 Common Cause Magazine
COPYRIGHT 2004 Gale Group

Kate said...

Anonymous last comment leaver..why anonymous then? Just curious.

My high achieving daughter was just nominated for the Summer of 2007. I was immediately concerned about the three bigs--the Solo travel at age 12, the cost, and the glossy, over the top 8 page "nomination" (my first thought being "What an incredible waste of money"

The 5 other kids nominated from her 6th grade Middle School class are great kids, but the same concerns are with their parents . Her teacher is a staunch defender of this program, said she personally nominated her and why , which immediately calls into question this accusation:

that it had rented their names and addresses from a national survey firm or, according to press reports, that at least two D-average students and one expelled gang member are among those so "honored." Each year the council sends out more than 100,000 letters to students.

In doing, the rest of the "Anonymous " post is also suspect, although my gut tells me there is some truth to it, especially the profit taking aspect.

Or perhaps I am looking to talk myself out of letting my daughter make a trip like this, alone at her age.

Time for more research!

Anonymous said...

Oh and Anon? You have the costs noted incorrectly as well.

Anonymous said...

MY 11 YEAR OLD SON WAS NOMINATED BY HIS FIFTH GRADE TEACHER AS WERE FOUR OTHER STUDENTS IN HIS CLASS. LOTS OF QUESTIONS BUT NO ONE TO ASK!

Anonymous said...

This is an excellent, but non-prestigious program. As an educator who has nominated children for this program, I believe it is a valuable experience for those students whose families choose to afford it.

I nominate students who I believe would benefit from the opportunity for independent travel and hands-on learning. To my knowledge, however, there is no screening of the child beyond a teacher's recommendation. There is no limit to the number of nominations I can make and no nominating criteria are provided. I do not even have to list the student's grades. All students nominated by a school will receive an "invitation" - at least that has been the case with my nominations. In that respect, the program is no more prestigious than any class-based recognition.

Bottom line: the nomination by a teacher means that he or she thinks you have a bright child - but you likely already knew that. The program will not open other meaningful doors to your child (unless you count other program mailings), but it may peak his or her interest in government, community service, and leadership. For some parents, those reasons may be sufficient on their own. Think of this of a week at a summer camp in Washington, DC and nothing more.

John McBride said...

Well said annonymous teacher. It was an excellent week of summer camp in DC for my son, one that he thoroughly enjoyed. But it wasn't anything more than that.

Christie said...

My 11 year old daughter was "invited". Of course, she wants to go. My concerns are the same as other parents...travel, safety, supervision, finances, etc. John McBride, can you tell me anything about the type of supervision the students were given at night in the hotels?

rusteech said...

I am attempting to find out more about this venture. My grandchild has been "invited" for this approx $1800.00 tag. Can we get some recent input concerning this? We are discussing a 5th grade child so we have some safety issues, as they must be cut off from family during this time. We would appreicate any comments pro and con, thanks.

John McBride said...

Christie:
My son stayed in a UM dorm. He said there were counselers on each end of the hall. More importantly, I think the schedule leaves little down time. That is, they had some place to be and something to do from first thing in the morning until lights out at 10 p.m. I believe that had up to four conselers on each of the six buses they used. As you know by looking at their site, they have a number of sessions every year and have been doing it for awhile. That's not to say something bad can't happen (look at the horrible situation at Virginia Tech). But it seems to me the kids received proper supervision.

We live close enough to DC that my wife drove our son and his friend up there (I was unable to attend). They have people who will meet your child at the airport, but flying would certainly make me anxious.

Taking a cue from the anonymous teacher above, I think the bottom line is: If you approach this as some kind of honor for the chosen few, well that's not the case. If you approach it as a summer camp with a social studies approach, then that's more what it's about. It is not cheap, but as I mentioned before my son spent almost nothing once he got there.

Anonymous said...

My son was also "nominated", I'm skeptical, though, when I've never heard of the nominating teacher and they're not listed in our school district.

John McBride said...

Never heard of the teacher? How can your son be nominated if he's never taken a class with the teacher? You're right to be suspicious of that.

My son was nominated by his 5th grade teacher, toward the end of what was an excellent year. His teacher had an excellent reputation at the school, and was named teacher of the year at his school that year. We -- my son, my wife and I -- loved this teacher and think the world of her. We placed a lot of trust in her when she recommended the program.

I certainly wouldn't have considered the program if my son had been "nominated" by a teacher I'd never heard of.

laura said...

My son received his invitation last week. He is also a high achiever and had been honored at school the week before so I am so upset to hear about this. I have not yet decided what to do. Just feeling duped. I am definitely feeling that the program overall is a good experience but not for the reasons that was portrayed in the invitation. I am feeling like the wind has been knocked out of my sails a little bit. I don't want my son to be hurt in that way either. I would like to hear more of what you've experienced and/or your opinions.

Anonymous said...

My daughter (age 10) received an invitation. She was one of 3 nominated in her class. While we are proud of her, I was immediately skeptical. My other child is 16 and I have come to realize that there are lots of "honors" for a price. My rule of thumb now is that if it costs more than say...the price of a stamp, then it is probably a "for profit" endeavor. Real recognition for real academic achievement does not cost the recipient a dime. The other issue for my daughter is, and I quote her..."I feel too young to be there without you or Dad". I can't argue with that.

Anonymous said...

yeah i went last summer it was like totally awesum!!!

Clarissa said...

I went last fall, and I thought it was incredible. They taught us a lot about leadership and out country's history through hands-on experiences and trips. We had a thick text/work book that we read and wrote in every day. Some things we examined were American history, leadership traits such as respect and responsibility, and independence. We were able to manage our own time (ie. wake ourselves up in the morning in time to get to breakfast and get to meetings on time). I would definitely recommend it. If I could afford to go twice, I'd go to the Alumni program in Boston during the summer. I've made soooo many memories and friends. On the day we left, everyone was crying. And we only knew each other six days!! Yesterday was the six month anniversary of when my session ended. Would I have remembered that if it didn't impact me? I am taking steps to become a strong, responsible leader in my community, and I believe that is due to JrNYLC. It was an amazing experience. It's completely worth it.

Sherrie said...

HI, my daughter is going this summer(2007) and she is a bit scared of doing this all by herself so I am looking to find some more kids to talk with her to let her know how it was or even kids that are going this summer, wouldnt it be great to know eachother before you go. Her name is Kimberly you can reach her at dolphinplaytoy@aol.com

Thank you
Sherrie

dumbBLONDE said...

I Am going on June 10th!!!! I am so excited!!!!!

Anonymous said...

As with many of you my son received a "nomination" last week. I am trying to get in touch with anyone from the Miami area who might be going. I can't see sending him alone.
Miami, Fl.

Smart and Gorgeous!!! said...

a) about the comment "dumbblonde" left, you shouldn't be going if ur so dumb, and
b) im probably going in the fall, and only 3 out of the 300 kids in the sixth grade (of my school) were nominated!!!
YAY ME!!!

perfectdancer said...

I am in sixth grade and I just recieved the letter yesterday!!! I am soo... excited why would anyone be nervous!!! It is such a great oppertunity!!! I am one out of six people from my middle school that was nominated so I am soo... glad!!! I am trying to find the list of the people attending so if anyone knows it tell me!!! Thanx Bye!!!

wolfenhawk said...

I'm going June 30. I also have to say despite the steep costs this is worth it. I had a cousin who went and both her and her parents said it was worth it. For the issue of security, unless Al-Queda attacks the airport you'll probally be fine if you follow rules and regulations. I do hope to see some of you at the conference.

Anonymous said...

goin 2 the JrNYLC waz 1 o the best experiences of my life

Anonymous said...

I got an invitation and I'm kinda scared because the only time I've been away from my family for a week was at soccer camp, and my best friend was there then. I still wanna go though, I wish I knew if someone else from my school got an invitation.

Anonymous said...

Why is it so expensive? I really wanna go, but my tuition for school is $6,000!!! Plus my sister, that's $12,000 total. And this too? Can people please tell me some stuff we do there? I also want to know if I can choose who my roommate is, because my best friend got an invitation too. I don't know if I can do it without her.

Anonymous said...

I have read other comments, I'm also concerned about legitimacy of this offer and the high cost. My child is excited and wants to go, is nervous of having to go alone, would know no other children there. I don't want to disappoint her but my inclination is to "just say no" unless someone can convince me this is NOT just a money-making scheme for someone. apl

West LA parent said...

It should be noted that while the quoted article was written by the very well regarded Vicki Kemper in Common Cause Magazine, it is also from 1993. Plugging in Junior National Young Leaders Conference into google along with Dole and/or Metzenbaum elicits no relevant information other than links to that particular article. Also, while you can find posts by googling the JrNYLC and scam, the reports are mostly anecdotal and are far outweighed by positive comments from attendees and their parents.

It is no doubt an expensive proposition, especially if you have to factor in transportation costs from the West Coast like we do. Still, I am looking at it as a good opportunity for our daughter to learn a little bit about politics, stretch her wings and learn a little independence, and to be able to spend some time with some of the countries brightest young people and perhaps make lifelong relationships.

Obviously, people must make their own decisions on how to allocate their own financial resources, but for me, I see enough value to be sending my 6th grade daughter, and trust the recommendation of the teacher who nominated her.

John McBride said...

To anonymous: The high cost is a real issue. I'm not sure this isn't a money-making scheme, but then so is Disneyland, and plenty of people find good reasons to go there. I think west la parent has good points that it is an opportunity for young people to learn about politics and get exposure to issues and people that they might otherwise not encounter.

It's now two years after our son first went. He still considers it one of the highlights of his life.

Our daughter was nominated. It's a fairness issue now, so we're sending her. But if I thought it was a complete rip-off or waste of time/money, we would not.

I think it's up to each family to balance the costs against the benefits and make up their own minds.

Mega-Mo said...

I just got a letter on Wednesday and I'm not sure about why i was nominated . I'm failing some of my important classes. My mom is skeptical as many people on here are and from what i have been reading i have gotten its a great experience the only problem is the cost. Also i don't know who nominated me and if any one else was nominated.

John McBride said...

Mega-mo: You should be able to find out who nominated you. Ask your teachers. It's not a secret thing. I'm also interested in why you were nominated if you're failing some classes. Can you ask your teacher why you were nominated in light of failing grades? And then let us know what the teacher says? We'd all be interested to know. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

My daughter was nominated in October. She's in the sixth grade. She really wants to go but the price is a problem. In her invite it told us to try to get sponsors to help and to ask family and friends. I hate to ask people for money when it sounds like basically a summer camp. Did anyone get sponsors? How did that work for you?

Anonymous said...

I'm a teacher and receive requests for "nominations" several times a year. So do other teachers in my school. If you don't send in nominations, they send you dunning letters, trying to make you feel guilty for depriving your students of this great opportunity.

The "nominations" are just names. You could send in names of your best or your worst students. There are no criteria. Any names you send in get these very expensive looking invitations, with gold seals and whatnot on them.

I don't nominate students any longer. I think the earlier commenter had it right when he said it was basically a summer camp with a social studies emphasis. I think the price is 'way too high, and that someone is making a bucket of money from these kids. They do take them to see the sights in Washington and the other items they list, and I have no reason to think they are unsupervised, but I think you could take your whole family and see the same sights for the price they're asking.

John McBride said...

That's just the kind of information I was looking for when I made the original post two years ago. Thanks anon. Any other teachers feel the same? Different?

Anonymous said...

For such a privileged program, it seems that there are more questions as to what the program is than there are good answers. My son got an invitation at an honorary steep price tag. At this moment with out much more research I feel this programs is like the ones in which they teach you how to become a millionaire in a week for that same price.

micrsmith said...

What are the tangible benefits for my child if he attends this? Do colleges consider this for admissions/scholarships? Will I just get more offers for expensive field trips?

Anonymous said...

My 11 years boy got same invitation and I feel it is just kind of summer camp with big tuition !!
I would not let my boy take this invitation...

Anonymous said...

My son got the invitation for the summer 2008 program. At first I thought it was a big honor as only five kids were nominated. But now I read that the criteria is subjective and up to each teacher.

I really wanted to send my son but my husband didn't think it was worth the money. So I personally spoke to his teacher and felt reassured that she took the nominating process seriously and felt my child would benefit.

I don't think I would look at it as a summer camp because many of the sessions seem to be about leadership building and seeing the government process in action. Not sure you would get that at summer camp.

Now, if I still lived on the West Coast, I'd have definite reservations about having him fly alone. We live in NC so I'll drive him so this is not an issue. However, I do feel he is mature enough to be chaperoned for the week without me or my husband there.

All in all, I think by sending our son we are showing him that we care about his education, rewarding hard work, and giving him an edge over other kids as he goes into Middle School.

Anonymous said...

Hi i'am a 6th grader who got "INVITED" to this "EXCULSIVE"honor but my dad says its a scam and everyone gets the invition plus its really expensive and i need proof to show my dad its worth it so if u have any information please email me at nick_k729@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

What i feel doesnt matter since only in 6th grade but i lson have gotin invetion after invetion for the Junior ambssadors and now this plus my brother and sister the exact same things so what iam wondering is do they pass these things out like candy then when u pay to go they just sit u down in a room and talk because they didnt get to go if u jave any information please contact me at nick_k729@yahoo.com thanks

Anonymous said...

What i feel doesnt matter since only in 6th grade but i lson have gotin invetion after invetion for the Junior ambssadors and now this plus my brother and sister the exact same things so what iam wondering is do they pass these things out like candy then when u pay to go they just sit u down in a room and talk because my brother and sister didnt get to go so they couldnt tell me. if u jave any information please contact me at nick_k729@yahoo.com thanks

Anonymous said...

I'm in 8th grade and a good student who just got intvited into the program. I'm concerned about the high costs and if it has any long-term values and if it will help me get into a good college. Does anyone know or have some useful information about the organization?

Anonymous said...

I jus got invited to atttend the NJLC and it had a list of respectable politcians who have spoken at the camp,but i'm wondering for the high price tag it has what, if any real-world value it has?

Anonymous said...

People with brains, this is obviously a SCAM. My daughter never heard of this before nor, does she have any clue who "nominated" her. Looking at the quoted $2,290 price ticket (not including airfare or spending money), I have to say, "it is what it is", a perfectly legal SCAM.

Anonymous said...

Question for you John McBride... First of all, thanks for all your posts helping us to figure out what to do with this invitation, it is nice to talk to someone with experience.

The allure for me is developing leadership skills and an interest and motivation to engage in community service activities. Did you, or anyone who sent their children, feel that this was a byproduct of this program?

I don't have a problem spending the money if it does serve a longer term good.

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I received the same invatation. I was jumping with joy and very excited. Then I heard about the price. After that I found out it was not a government program. I don't want to be away from my parents that long either. probably still will go, but it's not as wonderful as I thought. Yet, it still sounds like fun.

John McBride said...

Good question anonymous: "The allure for me is developing leadership skills and an interest and motivation to engage in community service activities. Did you, or anyone who sent their children, feel that this was a byproduct of this program?"

It won't be an easy answer, if for no other reason than it's difficult to measure these things in a controlled way. Two years later, can I point to the week my son spent in Washington and say it impacted him in this way? I'd give a qualified maybe. He seems to be more politically aware than his peers. When he's not just trying to fit in (like other kids his age), he seems to be on course for developing leadership skills -- but again that's tough to measure in a 13-year-old. What role did the JNYLC trip play in that? Would have have arrived at the same place without it? Hard to say.

Seems to me the kinds of skills you're asking about are developed over time. The best we could hope for, I think, is that a trip of this sort supplements a child's daily growth and exposes him/her to new people and ideas.

The bottom line is still the bottom line. If money were no object, I can't see how taking this trip can hurt. The question is, is it worth the cost.

One other thing you should know: Once you agree to send your child to one of these things, you'll get more offers. The latest came Friday, an invitation to "view" the inauguration of the next president, attend an inaugural ball, and so on. My son is interested in attending all of these things, even if we're not interested in sending him. They're not cheap. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has sent their child to more than one of these offerings.

Nicole said...

Hi! I got an invitation, too! It is so great!! I am in the sixth grade, but I'm not sure I should go... I mean, I know it's going to be fun, but, the prices are so HIGH! I am the valedictorian of my class, and I'd like to go to a great college, and that, too, would be costly... Oh yeah, at OLPHS in HI, which is my school, I know someone who's been there: Brianne Tabios and Tiana Matsuda!!!!

nicole said...

Oops... sorry!! I forgot to mention this: the two I talked about earlier are so talented and now the best two leaders in my school!

Anonymous said...

This is the Info I've been looking for. My daughter was "nominated" and received the "Invitaion" for the Summer 2008 program. I too, like many of you thought it was so much more prestigous than some others. I was so Proud. I called her Dad and It made his day. The more I read, the more doubtful I became. I called the nominating teacher, and found out that They were handed a form and told to nominated, using a certain criterea, which you could be proud of. My daughter is an excellent student and very mature and responsible, although she is only 12. Her Teacher gave me the counselors name to talk to, to get more info. So I did. What a dissapointment that was. All she could tell me, was... They get a request for the nomination of students...Nothing more. They have no clue of anything else. Just that it's for JrNYLC. Sounds good, but thats it. She had no clue and couldn't tell me anything other than that. So... after all this excitedment and telling my daughter she could possibly go to Washington D.C. this summer because she is such an awesome representitive of her school, we a left feeling dooped!
I will probably tell her SHE is quite capable of earning many, more reprutible awards and honors and this was just the beginning. And I will leave it at that. Can't see sending her to a Tourist Fraud, desguised as somethng more. At least not by herself. At least the family can go to something together for this price. And learn just as much.
Now... if she were older, I may consider using it as the "Summer Camp" theory. I would feel better about her safety and her ability to protect herself.
Let's be proud of our Kids!! and not fall into a Money Making scheme at their risk.
A Texarkana Texas MOM

Anonymous said...

This is the Info I've been looking for. My daughter was "nominated" and received the "Invitaion" for the Summer 2008 program. I too, like many of you thought it was so much more prestigous than some others. I was so Proud. I called her Dad and It made his day. The more I read, the more doubtful I became. I called the nominating teacher, and found out that They were handed a form and told to nominated, using a certain criterea, which you could be proud of. My daughter is an excellent student and very mature and responsible, although she is only 12. Her Teacher gave me the counselors name to talk to, to get more info. So I did. What a dissapointment that was. All she could tell me, was... They get a request for the nomination of students...Nothing more. They have no clue of anything else. Just that it's for JrNYLC. Sounds good, but thats it. She had no clue and couldn't tell me anything other than that. So... after all this excitedment and telling my daughter she could possibly go to Washington D.C. this summer because she is such an awesome representitive of her school, we a left feeling dooped!
I will probably tell her SHE is quite capable of earning many, more reprutible awards and honors and this was just the beginning. And I will leave it at that. Can't see sending her to a Tourist Fraud, desguised as somethng more. At least not by herself. At least the family can go to something together for this price. And learn just as much.
Now... if she were older, I may consider using it as the "Summer Camp" theory. I would feel better about her safety and her ability to protect herself.
Let's be proud of our Kids!! and not fall into a Money Making scheme at their risk.

Anonymous said...

I think the Junior national Young Leaders Conference is just a big business. Do your math, how many kids do you think attend this trip? the cost may vary between $1,700 doll & $2,400 . this is lots of money going into the pockets of The President of this program. The schools might even get a percent of the money they make. Becareful

Anonymous said...

My 5th grade Daughter & 25 more student from the magnet class were nominated by the Teacher to go to the trip to Washington, D.C. for the amount of $2,100 + $400 for air fare + $99 for protection plan. I also think The Junior National Young Leaders Conference is just a business. they nominate students with good grades or from magnet schools because they know us parents will try very hard to come up with the money for the trip to keep our children happy and so they may continue with the good grades. this program has a pretty mask but behind the mask it is just a business. Think of how many kids go to this trip, for example if 1 million kids from all over the world attend at $2,400 per kid, how much money is it? it is lot's & lot's of money. also I do not think it is very safe to let a 9 year old child to go on a trip for more than a week. I checked with my Daughters Teacher and no Adult or Teacher from her school will be going on this trip Why? only the nominated student.

Anonymous said...

Wow! I was literally logged on to the NYLC site getting ready to register (and pay) so my daughter can attend the upcomong Summer 2008 session when something inside me to me to check the blogs. My daughter came home just this week with invitation and was beaming with pride and excitement about being nominated by her Vice Principal who personally delivered the nominations to six kids in the school. The school made a big deal about it and each student nominated was recognized in the classroom. All of the kids are top achievers and deserved the recognition for that so that was not a waste. Obviously, the Vice Principal has not been reading this information. I will do more research before registering her.It's tough to not go throught with it when you see your child so excited and talking nonstop about this and how cool it will be for her to go to DC. I may suggest that the whole family go instead of just her. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

My high achieving daughter was just nominated for the Summer of 2008. I was immediately concerned about the three bigs-the Solo travel at age 10, the cost, and the glossy, over the top 8 page "nomination" (my first thought being "What an incredible waste of money"............

The 20 other kids nominated from her 5th grade Middle School class are great kids, but the same concerns are with their parents . Her teacher is a staunch defender of this program, said she personally nominated her and why , which immediately calls into question this accusation:

that it had rented their names and addresses from a national survey firm or, according to press reports, that at least two D-average students and one expelled gang member are among those so "honored." Each year the council sends out more than 200,000 letters to students.

although my gut tells me there is some truth to it, especially the profit taking aspect.

Or perhaps I am looking to talk myself out of letting my daughter make a trip like this, alone at her age. too Dangerous. The program is only a big business

Anonymous said...

My daughter was "nominated" and received the "Invitaion" for the Summer 2008 program along with 30 more students in her class. I too, like many of you thought it was so much more prestigous than some others. I was so Proud. I called the entire family. The more I read, the more doubtful I became. I called the nominating teacher, and found out that They were handed a form and told to nominated, using a certain criterea, which you could be proud of. My daughter is an excellent student and very mature and responsible. Her Teacher gave me the counselors name to talk to, to get more info. So I did. What a dissapointment that was. All she could tell me, was... They get a request for the nomination of students...Nothing more. They have no clue of anything else. Just that it's for JrNYLC. Sounds good, but thats it. She had no clue and couldn't tell me anything other than that. So... after all this excitedment and telling my daughter she could possibly go to Washington D.C. summer of 2008 because she is such an awesome representitive of her school, we a left feeling dooped!
I will probably tell her SHE is quite capable of earning many, more reprutible awards and honors and this was just the beginning. And I will leave it at that. Can't see sending her to a Tourist Fraud, desguised as somethng more. At least not by herself. At least the family can go to something together for this price. And learn just as much.

Let's be proud of our Kids!! and not fall into a Money Making scheme at their risk.

April 2008

Anonymous said...

What the Heck? I posted a comment under the signature of Texarkana Texas MOM and since then My comment has been copied twice with some small changes. Minus my signature. Is this site real?

Would like to know all comments are True thoughts of other people. Not just cut and paste!!!aghh!!!

Anonymous said...

My Daughter was also nominated for the Washington D.C CYLC 2008 summer program, I think I will need to do lot'f of research before I make my mind.

April 15 2008

Anonymous said...

I think this is a great web site & I think it is very real. This site helps you see what other people around the world think about this program. If someone copied your comment twice perhaps someone thinks your comment is very good & they might think just like you. Well Texarkana Texas MOM I thought you comment was very helpful I was going to let my child attend the 2008 program, now I must read more of this comments to see if I will let my child attend this expensive trip.

Mr.D
Los Angeles, California
2008

Anonymous said...

i went 2 years ago and i am now in the NYLC program

i am in 8th grade and it is soooo fun!

John McBride said...

We took our daughter to the JrNYLC at the beginning of April. My observations:
*The staff was professional and very helpful.
*The week was super-organized, leaving little room for idle hands.
*The kids talked about history and visited historic sites. They discussed concepts like leadership and liberty.

Was it worth it? Hard to say. As I've said before, lots of people spend more money than this to go to Disney World, which makes a profit. The difference, and the thing that I think gets people riled up, is that you don't have to be "nominated" to go to Disney World.

I think the nomination process is to weed out kids who won't respond to or be interested in this kind of program. It's not rigorous, but let's face it, some kids simply aren't interested in talking about the critical factors that led to the Declaration of Independence when they're on Spring Break.

Here's the text from one of the email updates I got while my daughter was at JrNYLC (I substituted "student" for her name):

"It has been a busy day! After breakfast, (student) and the other scholars boarded the bus for a day trip to Philadelphia to study the events, leaders and values that led to the formation of the United States. Dividing her time between a guided walking exploration of the sites of Independence Mall and presentations and exhibits at the National Constitution Center, (student) investigated the critical factors that led to the Declaration of Independence. In exploring this rich historical period, she focused on the ways in which the U.S. Constitution influences life in the United States--and how we, as citizens, influence the Constitution.

"Returning to Washington, D.C. in the evening, (student) convened with her LFG (Leadership Focus Group) to engage in a First Amendment simulation. This fictional scenario asked (student) to weigh the right of students to wear "peace patches" in school to advocate for increased community policing against the distraction that the patches would cause. Employing her communication skills, (student) staked out a position on the issue and debated and negotiated with her fellow scholars."

We got an email every night with an update like this, and there was a slideshow from each day, although they weren't posted each day.

Here's a portion from another email update:

"Today (student) traveled to Harpers Ferry, WV, located at the junction of the Potomac and Shenandoah rivers. Now a national park, this beautiful area was the site of abolitionist John Brown's daring and ultimately unsuccessful raid on a federal armory in 1859. (Student), along with park rangers dressed in historical garb, engaged in a variety of simulations that mimicked life in America during the years leading up to the Civil War. (Student) manufactured fake bullets, scrubbed laundry, participated in military drills and learned some fun folk dances. The scholars also examined Brown's life story and discussed his leadership characteristics. They studied the challenges he faced and then debated his actions."

Here's another:

"Today (student) investigated Washington D.C.'s rich history of leadership in a series of site explorations of some of the capital's most important sites. After a walking exploration of the seat of our country's legislative branch, Capitol Hill, (student) explored the Korean War Veterans Memorial, Vietnam Veterans Memorial and Lincoln Memorial and stopped for a photo opportunity at the White House. The scholars also visited the National Portrait Gallery, which houses nearly 20,000 works of art featuring men and women who have made significant contributions to the history, development and culture of the United States.

"At each of these sites, (student) learned how leaders use their voices to take a stand and make a difference. In the evening, she worked with her LFG members to create a social organization to serve as their own "voice of change" for a special topic that impacts local communities. This final project tasked her with using the new leadership skills she has developed at JrNYLC this week."

Anonymous said...

I got a letter at school a while ago about being chosen as a highly qualified educator from the Junior National Young Leaders Conference. I never heard of it and was wondering if this was like one of those other scams out there. I don't plan on doing anything with this letter. I threw it away after getting it. Anyways, I already KNOW I'm a highly qualified teacher.

Debbie from Florida said...

My daughter attended the JrNYLC program over spring break 2007 - I flew to DC with my youngest to be near her in case anything happened. She had a great time, learned quite a bit about our history (we also watched the movie national treasure right before she left) so that added to her excitement of seeing the LIberty Bell, the Declaration of Independence, etc. Yes, the cost is high, but she earned half of the tuition herself and has now been invited to the Inaugural Conference in January 2009. She will be attending that and seeing the next president sworn in. She knows she has to earn half of the tuition again, and she is thrilled. The program starts young (I would not send a 5th grade girl) she started in 6th and will be in 8th for the next one. She also will be able to continue with this program through high school and college. The contacts she can make are great, plus she gets the exposure of "supervised" independence away from her family. I would do it again and hope that my youngest gets nominated to attend as well. Having said that, my husband will be in D.C. that week on business (she will miss a week of Pre-IB) so that he can be in close in case of an emergency. She called us every night on her cell phone and also could check in with a text message while on the tour bus.

Anonymous said...

Hello everyone,
My 11 year old was also nominated by her new principal. I asked the principal about this nomination and was told that it is a great experience if I can afford it. After some more research I found that this is basically a super expensive summer camp for kids focusing on Social Studies and Governance. My problem with them is the way this whole "invitation" was sent as if this was some kind of recognition for my child. They also run other "trips and tours" similar to this - read about it in
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=266469

As for us we will be going on a family vacation with all the money we saved by not sending our daughter to this camp.

Anonymous said...

I have had two children attend not only the basic program, but also the alumni program they hold in Boston and the State program they hold in each (or almost each) state. This is not a scam. Every program is sold out. The kids learn a lot, are well cared for, and have been pleased with the experience. While the expense is a hardship for anyone, they have worked to earn money to help pay their way...and that has been instructional, too. We have learned to "hook" our family vacations to these events, and that works out well, too.

And they will both be going to the Inauguration in January...what an experience for an earli-teen.

Sure, it's a business and they do promote it. But you actually do need to be selected by some faculty member somewhere to get an invitation...it is not just a group grope.

I have no affiliation with this organization, but based on personal experience have no qualms about recommending its programs.

em said...

i went and it sounds like more fun then it really is. You do learn a lot about being a leader, but the things in the itinerary aren't really what happens. For example we were supposed to visit all of these outdoor museum type things and they didn't bring us there or to the white house either. They also didn't make us wear formal clothes and that is all that i brought so most of the kids were bummed out about that too. Even though everything didn't happen how it was supposed to it was a great experience and you make long time friends that i am still in touch with.

wendy o said...

I signed up my son and because of an unexpected military move, he was unable to attend. I recieved a cancellation confirmation email on June 12th,2008 and still have not gotten my $1,900 refund. I have been calling for months and spent numerous hours on hold and am getting the run around. The Director of Admissions, Stacey Damon does not seem to be handling the Admissions Office very effectively. I would warn you to make absolutely sure that your child will be attending before sending them a dime. Oh, just so you know, this conference is not as "exclusive" as they pretend that it is. I know children with C's and D's on report cards that have been invited. It is a money-maker and now I see why they are getting such a poor reputation.

Anonymous said...

Hello and thanks to all. This is a great format for info. My daughter also was nominated. I haven't read anything in response to the "credit toward college "post. Does this apply? We are getting different "honors" now for things she can attend, so I think its an important factor if these types of functions work in her favor toward college credit. if anyone knows, we would be grateful
also: does anyone find it funny that there are different tuition ( reservation ) fee's. why is there a a range from $ 750. TO $ 2,400 , shouldn't there be one price,,,, ( ours is $1,850.)this I DO find disturbing. Something to think about. different standards for different schools???

Tina said...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1554/is_n3_v19/ai_14685572

Read this article it will give you a new perspective. I will not send my child and I, as a teacher, will not nominate any children. What a scam.

Hkitty383 said...

I recently just went. It is a AMAZING experience, however, it was ALOT of money. My Mother payed about $2000. Some parents chose not to buy the insurence, but I think you should, because wut if sumthing happens?

JrNYLC 2007, JrPYIC 2009 said...

I went in 2007 and it was definately the best week of my life. i had flown a bazillion times so the flying was a piece of cake. As soon as i got off the plane a woman picked me up and sent me to benches where i met a few kids and we were shipped off to the UMUC! We registered and made new friends....for all those people saying "you sit around and listen to a bunch of paid speakers" they are 100% incorrect. You have LFG's and visit from site to site taking pictures...for parents worried with safety i have 1 thing to say. I had gotten a bit lost around the white house and within moments someone had come frm another LFG and let me stay with them and took me to my leader....there were 3 beds except they were like cots....sooo it was sooooo freakin amazing! in the beg. i only went cause my dad wante dme to go after a long hard research of the program..then after the 1st day i was hooked...on the 1st day i called my parents 3 times!!!!!! but after the 3rd day i didn't call them..they had to call me!! the food was NOT bad! it was food..wsn't like AMAZING but it wasn't bad either..like much better than school food but it still isn't as good as Mom's! any more questions then you should join the CYLC message boards! they will answer your question in a jiff!

JrNYLC 2007/JrPYIC 2009 said...

I went in 2007 and it was definately the best week of my life. i had flown a bazillion times so the flying was a piece of cake. As soon as i got off the plane a woman picked me up and sent me to benches where i met a few kids and we were shipped off to the UMUC! We registered and made new friends....for all those people saying "you sit around and listen to a bunch of paid speakers" they are 100% incorrect. You have LFG's and visit from site to site taking pictures...for parents worried with safety i have 1 thing to say. I had gotten a bit lost around the white house and within moments someone had come frm another LFG and let me stay with them and took me to my leader....there were 3 beds except they were like cots....sooo it was sooooo freakin amazing! in the beg. i only went cause my dad wante dme to go after a long hard research of the program..then after the 1st day i was hooked...on the 1st day i called my parents 3 times!!!!!! but after the 3rd day i didn't call them..they had to call me!! the food was NOT bad! it was food..wsn't like AMAZING but it wasn't bad either..like much better than school food but it still isn't as good as Mom's! any more questions then you should join the CYLC message boards! they will answer your question in a jiff! i answered this beforehand but wanted to make sure everyone got a look at what i ahd to say. Thsi program is certainly not a scam. YOU CANNOT SAY IT'S A SCAM IF YOU PERSONALLY HAVE NOT BEEN! It's easy to say if i were in his/her spot i would do this but guess what if you ever r, it is harder than you think!!! JRNYLC IS THE MOST AWESOME EXPERIENCE YOU'LL EVER GET IN YOUR LIFE! I have traveled across the country and around the world but JrNYLC beats it all! Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I just got an invitation the other day and I'm not sure about it, like I'm not sure if it's good or not. I'm in 7th grade... I think i might go though

Anonymous said...

My son and daughter both attended, and it was great for both of them. Very safe, and they both met kids from around the country, and have kept contact with them. I highly recommend it.

Anonymous said...

I got an invitation too for the 2009 Summer one! However, I absolutely have no idea who else got chosen. And I have to admit, it's kind of fishy though. With the high fee and stuff. I hope going isn't a bad idea.

Anonymous said...

My son received an invitation to the junior conference...he is in 5th grade and was nominated by his teacher. Being nominated alone is a great honor and certainly a booster for confidence. My husband and I are very proud of our son. We would love for him to experience this event. However, I was just recently laid off from my job and in the process of trying to save our home. We know that this experience will help him enhance his capabilities and interest. Hopefully there's way to get some kind of financial assistance to the program.

Anonymous said...

you know, Harvard and Princeton, and all colleges, for that matter, are "businesses" also. Just because something makes money and/or has a high price tag does not automatically mean it is a "scam", "fake", "worthless", etc. If you can afford it, the programs that they offer are absolutely NOT bogus, and are clearly geared to smart kids with the motivation to achieve. The kids will clearly learn something and have an experience of a lifetime, to see Washington and to meet other kids from all over the country. It is hardly a "summer camp". That is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard. I also highly doubt that they nominate/take just anyone, because if they had out of control kids, or immature kids who were not bright and not interested, or were disruptive, then you would certainly hear about that from other kids, etc. and the program would go down the drain. And by the way, that stuff from Common Cause, Dole, etc. is from 1993 people- more than a decade ago. I can understand people not having or wanting to spend the money. But in the absence of that, to not send your child (who is so proud to have received this invitation) and tell your kid that it is bogus and a sham, and that it doesn't mean anything that they were selected, is doing your kid a disservice, not to mention tearing down their fragile egos. Geez people, be proud and let them be proud.

Anonymous said...

It is quite surprising to see so many "parents" praise a clearly fraudulent program. How many of the Pro posts here do you think are by the JrNYLC staff? My son's nomination (5th grade) has a $1890 tuition fee and the letter stated he was nominated by his teacher. First clue, they spelled his teacher's last name incorrectly. Next clue, every week throughout the Summer is available for attendance. Coincidentally, we vacationed in Old Alexandria, Virginia and saw everything in Washington, D.C. in 2008. Hotel, airfare, and seeing all of the sites including Congress and our Representative himself only cost us less than $3,000 for THREE people. Save your money and take your child to Washington, D.C. yourself. It will be much more memorable.

Anonymous said...

John McBride, you have been nominated for a deluxe trip to Florida! Airfare is not included but we will send your family a few e-mails detailing your trip for just $2000. Hurry, as seats fill up fast, and this over ends sson. Financing is available and your trip is guaranteed if you buy our Travel Protection Plan for $109. See you in Florida!

Anonymous said...

i was nominated by a teacher that after some reaserching turned out to be my schools security guard. i am not going at all.

ProudMom said...

I have read through all the comments left and the opinions are balanced. Some say, its great, even for the price. Others say, dont waste your money. Those who say, dont waste money...is that because you can not afford this for your children? My daughter has received this invitation in which I was informed by her teacher that she was interested in doing this. Once the teacher got all kids interested, she chose those based on if they would learn from this experience. There are those kids who have no problems with leadership and independence. Then there are those with the POTENTIAL. The one's that she knew that could handle it, of course she nominated, why would any teacher deny that? The children that were not so there in the confidence level and would treat this experience as nothing, was the one's she did not nominate. Then there are those that are on the brink of revelation that they could be more than they are. Maybe they need an experience such as this to pump them up to become more. Does my daughter make great grades? No. Does she try her hardest and has to study harder than the rest? Yes.
One could look at academic as just a GPA. It is sooooo much more than that. An academic child is one who pushes and challenges themselves both in grades and person. Those children who have to work harder than others seem to be able to achieve more in life in the long run, they are used to working hard.

I see this opportunity as a great thing for a child. Is the price steep? Yes. If you can not afford it, I saw there was chance for scholarship, and possible sponsorship. How bad does the child and parent want to take advantage of this opportunity. You can have people is your community, church, parents work friends sponsor you. If you want it bad, yes you may have to work for it.
If the parent can afford it, hey that is great too. I know as a parent you want the best for your children.
In all the forms it says nothing of cell phones. There are tracking devices on these things now, GPS location. You can check via internet where your child is as well.
Is this program exclusive? Well, in a way...Yes. There are millions of children out there...how many end up attending? All of them are certainly not invited...right?

Money? Well there are worse scams out there... look at where all our tax dollars are going now a days.

I see this may be a good opportunity for MY daughter. You may have a different opinion due to your values and beliefs. Don't put this down, some children may be reading this blog and think...hmmm.. maybe I am not all that special. Talk about instant downer!

Anonymous said...

We think the JrNYLC is a total scam. We just cancelled and there is no way we can recover our deposit of $350.00. There were still 2 1/2 months to the trip date. They don't care what your situation is. It is hard to believe. Good luck to those who still are going, but I most certainly think it is a big scam. Be aware!!!.

ProudMom said...

Anonymous,
Why do you think this is a scam? I know in all the reference material I was issued there was a notation regarding the $350 deposit. It did say that that could not be recovered. I have been through scams before, those would be the ones that do not disclose that information up front. What makes you think this is a scam. I am just curious about what information you have that maybe I have not come across. Thank you for your help and insight.

Samm said...

I've actually attended this program, and it's not at all worth the outrageous amount of money you spend for it.

It's very poorly organized and run. Your children are going to come home hungry, because the food they offer is terrible.

It's not very well planned, as your children will wait for long periods of time to get into the few museums they visit.

If you want your kids to learn about DC, or whatever place they are going, take a family trip there. It will be half the cost and your kids will learn much more.

Don't waste your money on this. They don't actually learn anything about leadership. I know that I didn't, nor did any of my friends that went.

It's a poorly run camp where your kid will meet other kids from around the country.

You're basically paying 2 grand for your child to make some long distance friends.

Hari Gangadharan said...

Initially I too was proud to see that "INVITATION" letter. I showed it to my wife and we both were jumping with joy. After reading through carefully, I found that the program has a high tuition fee (nearly $1900) associated with that. But by that time we have already congratulated him for this great "INVITATION". Since it had the names of Senators and is in a letter with seal or wording which suggest (or tries to suggest) the approval of US Congress, I initially thought it was a US Congress or Government endorsed/supported program.

The scam is in the fact that the letter deceives or purposefully tries to make you feel that the program is a US Government sponsored program. People who does not have good Internet skills will fall for this. I am offended by the fact that it tries to effectively hide the "for profit" nature of the program.

My feeling is you may be better off sending him to a UC Berkeley or some other accredited local Universities summer course. It is much more valid, cheaper and may help you in the college admission.

Having said that I do not want to break my son's heart -- he is already elated with the feeling of some achievement. I am going talk to some of the parents of "nominated" kids from his school and send him only if few other send their kids... otherwise I can convince my son not to go since no one else is going.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad I searched this topic. I thought there was something hinky about the program. There's another one my son was invited to but the cost is not going to cut it. I live near DC so I can drive the kids there any time I like and set up tours through school or my congressman. I think someone is making money on the supposed 'honor' the kids will be blessed with. I think the paper the invites are printed on is worth more than the experiance they claim the kids will never forget.

Save your money and go to the beach! Kids remember that too. :o)

Shereen said...

Are you parents really that stupid? You really believe this was sent to your "special child"? Do a bit of homework, just a bit and you will see........maybe you will see

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1554/is_n3_v19/ai_14685572/

Anonymous said...

are you guys really that dense? can't you just google it and look at the results?

besides, everything says it's a scam, but everyone who went enjoyed it. so just do the sensible thing, and google it.

Sara said...

I mind the misleading nature of this organization's 'pitch' - the research below is not mine but I copies and pasted from another site for parents discussing this same issue.

BOTTOM LINE: A VERY PROFITABLE BUSINESS VENTURE FOR THE FOUNDERS: I checked out the non-profit tax returns on this organization (Form 990) to see how legit they are. I have experience running non-profits, so knew a bit what to look for. If you read the tax form carefully, what you find out is this:



The non-profit corp of Congressional Youth Leadership Council, which runs the National Youth Leadership Forum as well as the Junior Nat'l Young Leaders Conference was started by the team of Richard Rossi and Barbara Harris who also started (in the same year) a for-profit corp called Envision EMI, LLC. It just so happens that Envision has the exclusive contract with CYLC to run all their programs. On the 2006 tax form, the compensation paid to Envision by CYLC exceeded 18 MILLION dollars (from a total revenue of CYLC of over $56 million).



As it stated on the CYLC tax form, "all full-time staff working on the account of CYLC are employees of Envision. CYLC pays Envision for payroll and related costs as well as management and marketing fees."



To me, that arrangement makes it clear that this program continues to be run for the purposes of profit to the founders and current operators. I'd be very curious about the founders' relationships with the board members of the non-profit entity.



To review the Form 990 -- see www.guidestar.org. Also see www.envisionemi.com

Sara said...

I'd add that I'm a teacher and many teachers get these letters from this kind of company. we could indeed recommend any student but when I first did this I only recommended a handful of my best students.
But when I realized I was essentially creating a mailing list for a for-profit company I never recommended again and threw all such letters into the trash.

Not every teacher is aware of the deceit that lies behind these companies. Any search on google would quickly turn up the facts.

One of which might well be - it's a fun trip if you can afford the cost and will trust this deceitful company to honestly care for your child for the length of the trip.

Anonymous said...

Hey Prima Ballerina! Did you make that comment about how you got in the JNYLC in March 2010? or When this thing was posted? Cuz if in 2010 then YAY I'm going to!! I mite meet you there. We probley wouldn't know it though.

Anonymous said...

Okay. First of all, only five people from my school were nominated and I was one of those five. Two of the other students nominated were of my best friends. I would really enjoy going, however the point that I would like to bring up and recieve an answer to, is are there really any signifigant experiences that if I flew up to Washington or Philli ever again I couldn't experience? I mean, I have been to both, being that I am extremely interested in political aspect and government as well. In fact, in the 6th grade I am reading two College textbooks about the US Government and successors, but, I honestly believe I would absolutely enjoy going. The point that I am trying to make is that, the pamphlet I was given seems to only have 1 activity I normally wouldn't be able to do in Washington, well technically Maryland, which is spend the night in the Science Center. Therefore, it seems to be an overall money making scam? I am unsure, but think that I would enjoy it if the cost was maybe $400+flight+souveneirs etc. instead of almost $2000+flight+souveneirs etc. If there is indeed 40% profit from my tuition fee, that means I would be really paying $800 approx for the experience...and donating well over a thousand dollars to an organization I have never come across in al my research before. Please help me,
Sincerely,
Ovr acheivr

Anonymous said...

I am a social studies teacher and just received a packet today. My very first reaction was impressive. The packet is very professional looking and ohhhh so enticing.

My first flag was the opening line, "You have been chosen from an impressive list of highly qualified educators to be commended for your achievements in teaching and mentoring." Wow, thanks. But how did my name end up on an impressive list? Which list would that be? The letter continues with making me feel like the best educator ever (but where's the check?) and then kind of, sort of, reminds me that I care enough for my students to nominate the very best of the very best. But, having been a scam victim in NYC in my greedy twenties (Yes, I bought a $75 brick... it was suppose to be a cam-corder), I looked for the strings attached.

The first string was the second flag - the price, $1,890! The final flag was the list of activities. Having spent some time in D.C. and surrounding areas, I've done most or all of these activities and many of them are FREE. The White House photo opportunity... with whom?

Okay, so I sound like a downer. Well, I'm a teacher and I definitely don't make the kind of money it takes to send one of my own children. BUT I am resourceful enough to investigate the opportunities and do the trip myself for much less and take all three of my children... again.

For educators that also received the impressive packet to nominate your top leaders, how'd you end up on "The" list and who decided you should be on it? I'm very curious how I got chosen - my principal hasn't a clue either. Hmmmmm.

sierra said...

i am elected to go i am so glad to be going i am about to be in 7th grade it such a honor to be elected so i thank my teacher jessica parfitt for electing me to go i thought i wouldnt be able to go because i was elected in 5th grade and i turned it down.so they elected me to go and it made me so happy because my 2 other friends were elected to alexus and simone so we are traveling together because i never been on a plane before so i am scared and at least while im on the plane i have 2 friends to ralf to

Anonymous said...

My son was invited last year, but we decided to take the trip ourselves to Washington D.C. With additional money, we had really good and educated vacation without worrying for my two kids. We did see a lot of kids following their "tour guide" in Washington D.C. that week. They seemed happy and had a good time too.

Jasmine C. said...

I just got invitation a few days ago. I'm in the 6th grade. It's about $2,000 plus plane tickets plus hotel and plus transportation. There's a 99.9% I'm not going unless I can make that much plus - enough for a guardian. :( (Donations will be taken!)

Mileah said...

My son received his "Nomination" yesterday. We were so honored and excited for him. He immediately started writing letters asking neighbors to hire him! Great motivation! Well, I was woke up at 3am with a "Momma feeling" that told me to do a little research....glad I did but now he will be greatly disappointed. This is NOT a nomination sent by anyone. This is a for profit company making a buck. Research this! Google it just add scam at the end and you will start to get the truth behind the fancy embossed invitation! The seal is made to look like it is congressional or presidential - what a joke!
Yes, I could still send him...but we don't PURCHASE achievements. We can send him on a similar "camp" without giving him a false sense of achievement. He must earn that with hard work and good grades........

Anonymous said...

i really want to go to DC and do it but my mom says that it's too expensive and we don't have that kind of money right now. when i begged her she said that she would think about it and now its been like two weeks and she hasn't told me yet. i'm worried because deadline is soon.Any advice? like is there a cheaper way or something?

Meagan :) said...

I am in the 9th grade and recieved a letter from NYLSC. I've gotten a letter for the past 3 years or so now, but have never been able to attend. This year I really want to go, however, but I have one main concern. Is it really such a big deal to be nominated, or am I going to show up and see that average and below average students are there as well? Is it really an honor to be nominated? Please respond if you have answers. Thank you very much!!

FindTJ said...

I agree with the educator. My son was also nominated. After we reviewed the quanity of children per session, sessions per season, seasons per year, (at least two) and price per child, the question was posed, "What or who is using children to raise that great of an amount and what is that money funding. Notice that you can't find anything but their general description of the program. With 25 years of " service" they should have better information available to the parents and public. Something isn't right. I'm not easily flattered and don't support using children for fund raising. We as parents have to be diligent in getting All the details first. God Bless.

FindTJ said...

WOW! Research and reviews by attendees on GREATSCHOOLS.ORG. Nearly 70 million dollars raised for profit. Our children are their "cash cow". Some experiences will surprise you. Keep your money and go with your parents instead. God less.

FindTJ said...

Oops! Meant God Bless not God less. Forgive me.

Anonymous said...

I was nominated and I believe this is a scam for money.I looked up some other comments, and they state that the children were overworked, had small rest times, had minimal time to look at places (like the White House), and they had to get up at 6-7 AM every day. I may only be a 6th grader, but I believe this is a stupid and worthless way to con someone out of their money. This is about the same as People to People. All they want is your money. I recommend not going, unless you want to be disappointed. I know, since I was nominated by People to People. My family sorta got mad at whoever gave away my name and address... Either way, this is just an expensive and worthless trip.

Anonymous said...

My grandaughter went 2 years ago - was it worth it? In her case maybe, she did enjoy it , brought back many memories but it is expensive and not very exclusive. In her case the nominating teacher took the process seriously both students in her school are high achievers. Would I recommend? If you can afford - yes. If it would put a stretch into the family budget- no. Many other less expensive ways to stimulate the minds of young children. By the way she was an eight grade student - 6th grade I think is a bit young.

Anonymous said...

no nomination needed, anyone wanting to pay can go...a money making business venture that is working well for the owners...save your money, take your student to DC or find a legitimate tour program for them.

Anonymous said...

Is there any way I can find out who else from my school is going?

Flower said...

Is it really possible to find out who is going, because I really don't want to go alone.

Anonymous said...

I went to DC last summer and I am going to the alumni next month. It was one of the best things I have ever done I loved it!!!

Robert Kidd said...

Ok so i was invited in 2004 which was during my 7th grade year of middle school. I'll try to answer as many of these questions as i canbased onmy experience. Ok as i read more about it, it really seems like it's a scam. When i was therewe did lots of work in work books like: stating leadership qualities, writing about how you are a good leader, what responsability, integrity and respect are. We learned about some presidents that "exemplefied" leadership qualitites. The first thing that was suspicipus to me was the teacher who "recommended" me. She absolutely hated me. I was such an pain in her class. I just realised that she probly wanted to cost me and my family money. There was no way she couldve thought i was a potential leader.

Now that i am thinking about my time there i can definetly say that middle scholl is waaaaaay to early to teach kids about being leaders. Kids just arent that focused. What i actually remember is chasing girls. It was all about just meeting the hot ones. I looked back at my workbook and noticed that id written on like 5 pages. Nothin deep or thoughtfull, just the programmed answers we ha learned to write on assignments.

The experiences i got at the jrnylc program were more social than educational. I would recommend to any parent that their child can get all the same experiences for less money at any number of summer camps. Also the premiss that everyone there has shown leadership qualities is a bunch of BS. There were plenty of kids who would step back and not shoulder any of the workload. God my hormones were raging at the time that i went. Maybe i didnt get anything educational out of it because of that.

Anonymous said...

so robert kidd my son got invited and im jw if its supervised. like can kids sneak out easily and stuff. are there adults that make sure they stay in their hotel rooms and all???? will the boys and girls get to be alone or will there be 24/7 supervision.

Robert Kidd said...

Mine was in DC and was completely supervised. Boys and girls were kept separate and the thought of going somewhere never even crossed our minds. I remember being so tired from walking around and doing activities that when it was bed time all i wanted to do was sleep. Boys and girls were never left alone, if you were gonna make a move it was going to be out for the world to see.

Anonymous said...

I am in 5th grade and was invited. I also wonder if it is worth the money.

Anonymous said...

How did you receive your "nomination"? I am furious that it was mailed to my home addressed to my son with an endorsement from his assistant principal.